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The Pseudo Science of the Spoken Word: Part 2

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Continued from Part 1

I remember feeling sick in my belly as I trudged up the snowy steps to the back door of a woman’s home in Chestnut Hill, Pa. She had told me by phone, earlier in the day, what she thought of my parents’ religious writings.

“I threw them away,” she said slowly, punching up each syllable like an over-eager soap character. I’ve never forgotten those words because I had to ask her to repeat them, and she did – in the same way.

At 21 years old, I was driving my Toyota pickup, bought with money from my late grandparents, around the country. It was part adventure, part obligation: I was retracing the steps of my parents, Mark and Elizabeth Clare Prophet – going through Dad’s old address book one name at a time.

I had a journalism degree and the blessing of my mother. She wanted me to write a book about her and the father I never knew, then dead 20 years, to counteract a looming tell-all book by my sister Moira (that story, like my own, was never published).

I also had help from Ann, a crack researcher at Mom’s church who used to work for National Geographic. Ann sifted through the little leather book and helped me contact my sources.

As I drove around, I dutifully recited my decrees to Archangel Michael to protect me. It was the winter of 1994, with the infamous ice storms that strangled the Northeast for weeks.

For me, decrees were a particularly traumatizing brand of high-speed chanting that my mother would engage in pretty much all the time, even in front of the uninitiated. She shouted her head off to God while riding around in taxi cabs from Delhi to Rome – causing consternation in the cab driver’s eyes and reducing me to a mortified puddle of little girl on the floorboards.

Embarrassing as they were, decrees were still my crutch; if I did my decrees (in the privacy of my own car, of course), I would stay alive, remain unmaimed, get good grades and do good in sports. If I didn’t, I would certainly not do well in school and I might die because God could not protect me. The odds of my doom increased if I ate sugar, listened to “rock music,” smoked cigarettes, allowed boys to touch me, or drank alcohol.

Fear normally kept me tethered to my mother; but on this night, my overwhelming emotion was one of loyalty. And shock that there might be people other than evangelical Christians who hated my parents.

There I was in one of Philadelphia’s most affluent neighborhoods with Ms. Lillian Garcia, a devoted follower of the Ascended Masters. I took in the familiar pastel colors on the walls and on her clothing, along with the faint scent of roses favored by Ascended Master types. But here she was, serving me tea and telling me in the most Christ-like of language that my parents’ weekly periodical, the Pearls of Wisdom, was full of crap.

Lillian Garcia is not her real name, but it was similar. Fourteen years, and a lot of hard work, have put her actual name behind me.

She was a follower of the Bridge to Freedom, and to her, my parents were imposters. The true messenger of the Great White Brotherhood, she said, was a woman named Geraldine Innocente, who died in 1961.

All I knew from my parents was that Ms. Innocente had started out as a mouthpiece for God but had somehow gone astray, ending up dead on the shores of Long Island Sound after overdosing on barbiturates.

My mother’s tone, whenever she spoke of this woman, was dismissive. Even as a small child, I could tell she didn’t think much of her. Because there was only one sentence associated with her, I actually wondered if she even existed. Her name sounded as made-up as ours. I just wanted to know if she was pretty.

But here was someone sitting across from me who revered Ms. Innocente as much as my mother’s staff and students did her. And it was clear to me that she liked Geraldine’s personality better than my parents’.

She showed me the Bridge’s version of the decrees. And I felt like I was reading a Burger King menu for the first time, after eating McDonald’s all my life.

I had seen other decrees in print, from the “I AM” Religious Activity, but they were mostly prose, commanding “the Mighty “I AM” Presence and the entire Ascended Host to transmute and consume all human discord.” I thought my parents’ unique contribution had been rhyme, as in the Heart section of the “Heart, Head and Hand” decrees:

Violet fire thou love divine
Blaze within this heart of mine
Thou art mercy forever true
Keep me always in tune with you!

The Bridge decrees I saw that night were similar to the rhymes my parents propagated. There was no lifting of whole verses, but let’s just say the “Heart, Head and Hand” decrees no longer sounded so unique.

I already knew Dad had been a member of the Bridge to Freedom before starting his own group, The Summit Lighthouse. In fact, he attended a Bridge conference in Philadelphia not long before starting his own movement, causing a minor scandal by camping in a tent with his first wife and their five children. There, he met Frances Ekey, who left Innocente and helped him launch The Summit Lighthouse.

I consider that night in the woman’s kitchen a seminal night, not because I had been hit over the head with a new sense of copyright propriety, but because I was talking to someone who believed, spiritually, that my parents were frauds. In other words, she was not feeling the vibrations that others felt when witnessing a dictation my mother took from El Morya.

I’m sure if I had told my mother about the incident she would have said that the woman had too many entities cluttering her consciousness to be able to perceive the true messenger. And this statement would have come from “El Morya.” She was convinced of the veracity of every statement she attributed to El Morya. Her thoughts were El Morya’s thoughts.

I have a theory about how she was capable of such unwavering conviction. If you start looking into the history of Ascended Master movements, you are likely to observe that the antics of unfettered narcissism have been going on since Helena Petrovna Blavatsky penned “Isis Unveiled.” Theosophy may be a lot more palatable in its intellectual musings, but it hatched a spider’s nest of fevered egos. If you don’t believe me, start by reading “HPB: The Extraordinary Influence of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky.”

Then read the biography of Krishnamurti by Mary Lutyens. K, as he is affectionately known, was groomed and established as a messenger by Blavatsky’s administrative minions. At the age of 28, he dissolved the exclusive internal movement known as the Order of the Star and told people “Truth is a pathless land.” Many were outraged, and blamed K for failing.

But many others listened. I find his talks inspiring because they encourage the most unwavering honesty in introspection. I personally consider accuracy a prerequisite to progress.

If you’ve had any experience with my parents and the people around them, the similarities in the books I’ve mentioned will blow your mind.

My guess is you’ll see, as I saw, that the “Ascended Masters” have a pattern of speech and behavior that spans generations. It’s pretentious, it’s laced with hyperbole, and it’s incredibly audacious. It’s also easy, once you get into the rhythm of its pomposity, to convince yourself that your unbearably authoritarian personality is actually the personality of a perfected Ascended Master.

Take the first sentence of the introduction to my parents’ book, “The Science of the Spoken Word.” It is not only brazen in tone, it makes vague and unprovable statements as if they are unquestionable truth.

“To thousands of devotees of God’s light the world around, decreeing has become a ‘joyful noise unto the LORD.’ During the past decade, those who have sought the true teachings of the Word of God have found the science of decreeing to be one of the most effective forms of meditation-a meditation that is majestically fulfilled through the power of the spoken Word.”

I’ll deconstruct the paragraph here:

  1. "To thousands of devotees of God’s light the world around…" This introductory clause is confusing because it’s not clear whether the preposition "to" is beginning a salutation to some lucky devotees or, as turns out to be the case, it’s being used to mean "from the point of view of devotees." And these are not just any devotees; these are the implied "chosen" people residing at Church Universal and Triumphant or studying its teachings around the world.
  2. "…decreeing has become a ‘joyful noise unto the LORD.’ " Here we have a Bible quote that is being used to legitimize decrees, using circular logic. In other words, the sentence is stated as fact that the Bible prophesied these decrees by talking about a "joyful noise."
  3. "During the past decade, those who have sought the true teachings of the Word of God have found the science of decreeing to be one of the most effective forms of meditation…" Again, we have the true teachings of, not just God, but the Word of God. These are the teachings about decrees, the Word, and people were already looking for them before they knew what they were. Second, I’m not aware of any study my mother conducted comparing decrees to other forms of meditation and their effectiveness. Further, what is the goal to be achieved through decrees and other forms of meditation, whereby effectiveness could be measured? Relaxation? Peace of mind? Psychological wholeness? Oneness with God?
  4. "…a meditation that is majestically fulfilled through the power of the spoken Word." OK, so here we have an appositive showing what decreeing is. It’s apparently a "fulfilled" meditation.

So the difference between a meditation and a decree is that a decree is “fulfilled.” Pretty good deal. When you put your thoughts (desires) into words, you make them so. That is the “science” of the spoken word. If your desires do not come to pass, I learned as a child, they were not God’s will in the first place. I wonder, why would God require us to spend hours decreeing for our desires to come true, if he was going to deny us our request because it was not in accordance with God’s will? Is there really that much confusion in the matter?

Those who have faith in decrees would probably respond that God has mysterious ways and that we probably learned a lot by decreeing about something we shouldn’t have desired in the first place.

Those who like to decree believe that it helps them stay positive. I have no problem with repeating affirmations over and over. Doing such a thing programs your mind to act as if you already have the job or the spouse or the article published – and I think most of us can agree that confidence is a powerful tool for getting what we want.

I no longer decree, preferring to take steps to protect myself to the best of my ability. I believe that decreeing evokes a high similar to the runner’s high. It involves strenuous vocal activity, bringing blood to the head and prompting us to take deep breaths, and propagates the belief that we are doing something about the problem that’s plaguing us. There is a feeling of the release of pressure, stress or negativity, and the visualization of colors can be calming to the mind. But I find the practice of shouting my head off, commanding God over and over and over to wage war against my physical or imaginary enemies, beyond distasteful. I’d rather figure out how every child in this country can get his teeth fixed. Or something.

In the end, it just comes down to aesthetics. Decrees sound angry to me. Desperate. The ones that don’t sound angry just sound silly. I’d rather sing the blues to deal with my pain.

Oh, and by the way: Geraldine Innocente was beautiful. So was my mother. I wish she had chosen Krishnamurti’s way, to be a sister on the path, rather than the infallible leader she became.

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Comments (21 comments)

Nina / July 31st, 2008, 4:14 am / #1

Dear Tatiana (and Sean),

Thank you so very much for your wise and balanced and insightful account.

In its simple humility, your post, addresses so many foundational questions about the teachings and its assumptions that it is a very powerful catalyst for cutting through the all pervasive cognitive dissonance that kept us all in ignorance for so long, while in the ascended master belief system. I don't understand the people who think that you and Sean are reactive and negative in your attitude towards CUT when your writing is so nuanced and filled with compassion. I can see from your writing and Sean's that you are not "negative" or out to destroy or tear down; Your wisdom comes from a deep and profound soul searching. I can't imagine what you must have gone through to come to this place of wisdom and peace in your own lives when you were born into this culture and it became your life foundation. It was hard enough for me to extricate myself and to find myself and my own ways after 18 years of membership in the church which I left ten years ago.

Thank you so much for your courage to speak and for your roles in reaching out to others with your own experience and wisdom, the way you do…

Nina

BlackSun / August 1st, 2008, 10:26 am / #2

Great article, Tatiana!

Nina,

I don’t understand the people who think that you and Sean are reactive and negative in your attitude towards CUT when your writing is so nuanced and filled with compassion. I can see from your writing and Sean’s that you are not “negative” or out to destroy or tear down;

I think people hold this stance because to really pay attention to what we’re saying would be to re-evaluate their own past decisions, and accept that they had been misled. It’s a frightening thing to admit one could have been so wrong about something. But it’s a necessary step to move forward.

Economists call this refusal to face a mistake chasing “sunk costs” and I have a whole article planned on the subject.

The idea that someone is “negative” and therefore should be ignored is the ad hominem fallacy. In any philosophical discussion, it’s content that counts, not tone. Although this changes if you are involved in advertising or PR, where tone is everything.

BSJ is for those interested in the straight truth, and is not trying to “sell” anyone anything. People can read, or they can stay away. We therefore take a very unabashed and in-your-face tone. Not necessarily for the faint of heart. :-)

Tatiana Prophet / August 1st, 2008, 1:55 pm / #3

Hi, Nina –

Thank you for your comment. I have kept silent for a long time about our parents’ legacy, save for some e-mails and postings among friends. I’m starting to write articles on C.U.T. for Black Sun Journal because I see that there is still so much “cognitive dissonance” on the subject. If people want to give the decrees written by our parents, Mark and Elizabeth Prophet, then that is their right. But I think they should know where the Prophets fit in the scheme of “Ascended Master” groups, since an accurate picture of this positioning was clearly omitted during the entire tenure my parents held over their followers.

The “sin of omission,” it truly is, if I might start speaking like Yoda. Like Sean, I am committed to truth, the whole truth, when it comes to Mark and Elizabeth Prophet. This is not because I’m angry and want to attack someone who clearly has human foibles (a common excuse made by followers who both knew the Prophets and merely studied their teachings). Of course our parents had human foibles. I sure do. Sometimes I have similar problems! Genetics will bite you.

When we take the discussion outside of the idea of the Messenger, who has human foibles, and even outside of the idea of exactly what “sin” the Messenger committed that she prohibited her own followers from doing, we are left with the idea of legacy. We are left with the question of whether the body of work emitted by my parents was, on balance, intended for the aggrandizement of the organization and the personas of the Messengers, or whether it was intended to help people reunite with their Divine Spark — its stated purpose. My answer, after years of research and observation, is unequivocally that it was an ego trip from start to finish.

This does not mean that my parents didn’t comfort people at their hospital bedside, and even show a measure of personal sacrifice when praying for others. It is a conclusion I have come to after much soul-searching that is clearly not in my best interest. When I first realized that ego could be my mother’s driving force, I felt sick. For years. I didn’t want to see it. But it made so much sense, looking back on every uncomfortable event involving her — the dictation by Padma Sambhava when I was 7, announcing that the Messenger had balanced 100 percent of her karma, and what a victory it was for us, the Lightbearers! Take out the idea that she was in her most verbally violent period at that time, which even I observed (resulting in a horribly damaging lawsuit), and it still doesn’t seem to provide a benefit to the lightbearers — unless you go through some unprovable explanation that the messenger holds the weight of world karma (EGO ALERT) and so that’s why things were better for us because now she could concentrate on the world’s karma and not hers.

It was only through the paradigm that everything Mark and Elizabeth did (NOT SAID) was for themselves, that everything made sense. My headaches and my dizziness stopped once I accepted the paradigm of the ego. And the cognitive dissonance went away. Then when I read books about several other “Ascended Master” leaders, and their behavior was nearly identical, fitting the ego paradigm like a glove, I really felt better. Of course I cried about my parents and wasn’t able to sleep at night, but I felt like I was being AUTHENTIC for the first time in my life.

As far as my religious leanings, I declare myself an “apathist” because I’m so tired of tenets and lore and rituals and these intricate hierarchies that mean nothing in the here and now. The word “spiritual” has lost all meaning for me. People tell me it’s a shame I’m not spiritual anymore. I wonder about that because the word itself doesn’t mean anything. The thing I aspire to be is profound, and I guess my friends would be the judge of that. I am not as outspoken as my brother in terms of atheism, and he and I are at peace with that. But we are united in our search for the truth — or as close to it as we can get.

The issue here is thorny, and we chidren don’t always come out smelling like roses, if we can continue the rose-petal motif. However, I have no fear of criticism from true believers because I was there. I was there, and I know what happened, and many of them were not. And if they were there, they were not there for as many hours as I was, on a consistent basis, for 23 years. (I left my mother’s church at 23.)

Many of those who have left the Church still like to use mental acrobatics to explain our mother and father’s behavior. I used to do the same before I abandoned my book. I felt, at that time, that I was not yet capable of assessing the entire situation, and that it was unseemly to publish a fully accurate book about my mother, who was still in her prime.

That was in the fall of 1995, when I sent her 11 out of 22 chapters,with a letter saying that I could not write an entirely favorable book, and there were many things she had done that I did not agree with. She “responded” through a church official, who wrote me a letter threatening to sue if I published the book. Admittedly, the book was not a great piece of literature; I should not have attempted it at age 20.

My mother’s reaction was shocking, but predictable, since she could not admit publicly that there were things she and the church had done that were wrong. This was before her admission to my brother that she had abused power. She had made a similar statement to me in the spring of 1995 when I was traveling with her, that she “feared” she had failed her mission by abusing power and was trying to make things right. She did not take a different course at that time, however. And I left that June because I realized I would fail at changing her, as so many others had failed before. I left with the commitment to finish the book while out on my own.

Here we come back to what Sean and I are engaging in. If you can distill it down, I’d say it’s about the idea that “two wrongs don’t make a right.” If we were to whitewash our parents’ legacy under cover of religious privilege, we would be wrong. And that just isn’t right.

Louis / August 1st, 2008, 6:34 pm / #4

That was in the fall of 1995, when I sent her 11 out of 22 chapters,with a letter saying that I could not write an entirely favorable book, and there were many things she had done that I did not agree with. She “responded” through a church official, who wrote me a letter threatening to sue if I published the book.

You interviewed me for that book at a summer conference. How I found the teachings, etc.

You must have though I was a complete nutbag, hearing my story ;)

I think every person of spiritual ilk on the planet would do themselves a huge service by taking a good look at methods employed in covert hypnosis, and then examine their spiritual rituals.

All these personal experiences and anecdotal, for the manifestation of ‘Hand of God’ or ‘Miracle’ type occurrences would come into question; or at least they should, if the person isn’t suffering from a mental illness.

Hypnosis and mental illness have played a huge part (the lead) in religion. Filter these 2 things out and there isn’t anything left.

Anyway Tatiana, tis good to see you here and posting. I can see how taking this stand would be hard.

The Science of the Spoken Word isn’t Science. I decreed for 8-ish years and grasped at straws for signs that my prayers were answered. Apologetics in full force.

Fact is, I could have prayed to a penny and gotten the same results.

This ‘Miraculous All Powerful’ is more illusive than Snuffleupagus.

No wonder we need to be like little children…[/sarc]

Rusty / August 1st, 2008, 9:42 pm / #5

Wow, thanks for sharing, Tatiana. Great writing, but I may be a little biased since I also have a degree in journalism.

No, I really don’t think so. “Mortified puddle of little girl on the floorboards.” “I felt like I was reading a Burger King menu for the first time, after eating McDonald’s all my life.”

Very nice and creative in a natural, non-forced way…

I really appreciate getting an honest, objective, inside-story on CUT…and I admire you and Sean for being so open about your experiences.

It takes balls and ovaries. What both of you are doing is extremely important, mainly for a reason you may not have considered. If you and Sean continue to share a detailed story of CUT–from the inside–I see the potential for a major contribution to humanity.

The biggest question I have in life involves Christianity, for it dominates so many Western laws, traditions, concepts of what is “good,” etc. After the 2000 election and subsequent recount in Florida, I found myself hopelessly addicted to politics, spending 4-6 hours/day feeding my filthy habit.

Soon, I found myself repeatedly asking, “Why? Why? Why?” I feel the pain, I see the pain and I hate the pain caused by religions, with Christianity of course the main culprit in the U.S. The obvious question is very, very rarely addressed. What the fuck? I mean, why, why, why, why do so many believe what seems so crazy?

Dude thought he was the son of god. Then something happened. If he actually performed miracles, even Hitler wouldn’t have killed Jewish Dude. He would have locked Dude up and tortured Dude if necessary, to possibly have access to miracles-on-demand. Duh.

The part that really boggles my mind is Dude getting nailed to a cross–and instead of it being game over for Dude, Dude’s death is supposed to have allowed the very existence of humans today. How? Why? WTF?

Sorry so long, but let me end by getting back to why sharing your experiences with CUT could be tremendously valuable. There’s no way to prove that Jesus was a fraud in such a way that it could pour piles of dirt on the billions of brains in the giant Christian washing machine.

All I can really hope for is more reasons for people to doubt the bible, etc. And CUT provides an opportunity to examine and analyze a modern example of the, to steal a book title, Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds.

Essentially, guilt by association is what I’m getting at. If thousands of CUT members could believe crazy shit (IMNSHO, please forgive my honesty) with all we know today, then I think it makes a strong case for very poor people over 2,000 years ago, completely uneducated, illiterate and more clueless than Paris Hilton after a lobatomy –falling for a convincing mad man.

…about CUT involving some “crazy shit.” I would say the same thing about every religion, reserving my harshest “crazy shit” judgment for myself, for I still can’t explain how I thought I was Jesus Fucking Christ during five different manic episodes. It’s mad men like me, IMNSHO, that are most likely responsible for all this BS in the first place.

Finally, a friend recently told me that I over-analyze myself too much. I do. And I will continue to do so, because if you thought you were Jesus five times, you damn well better be checking your head a lot. :)

Jonathan Barcklow / August 4th, 2008, 5:42 am / #6

Thanks for your recent post about the decrees.

We need more. In fact I believe that a much greater effort is needed to debunk the ascended master religion in its entirety.

I was a staff member of the Summit Lighthouse way back in the late 1970's through the early 1980's, a relatively short stay compared with some who gave the activity twenty to thirty years of their lives.

But the one thing is that I was hooked. I still believed in the ascended masters all the way up to a few years ago when, after becoming involved with the Temple of the Presence activity, I began to seriuosly examine my own faith.

A little surfing on the internet led me to the "i am activity exposed" website where I read passages from Gerald Bryan's "Pshychic Dictatorship in America". Of couse I was shocked.

Pro-ascended master websites like "Ascension Research" try to give the impression that there is a thread of continuity from one ascended master activity to the next, when the fact is that they vehemently denounced each other. Believers never stop to ask some serious questions. If Geraldine Innocente and then Mark Prophet were indeed genuine messengers of these same ascended masters then why couldn't Saint Germain tell Mrs. Ballard? Perhaps the light and sound ray equipment wasn't working that day.

Then again there is this El Morya character. Will the "real" Morya please stand up! Blavatsky's adepts, Kuthumi and El Morya were staunch Buddhists and on several occasions emphatically stated that there was no God, either personal or impersonal! And yet as the years passed and other "messengers" came along. Morya, now ascended, was an avid believer in God (He was embodied as the patriarch Abraham, and later as Melchior, one of the wise men who visited the birth of Christ in support of the Christian God). It would appear that the personality and message of the master changes with the personality and philosophical backgroung of the particular messenger you happen to be listening to. What should that tell you?

I could rant some more but I will spare you. I've done the research. (Blavatsky,Steiner, Krishnamurti, Alice Bailey, The Mighty I AM, Bridge to Freedom, Summit Lighthouse, Temple of the Presence, and more.) I've come to the conclusion that the ascended master religion is a brain-washing, mind-control cult. I am willing to be proven wrong, but as Morya is supposed to have said "Let the chips fall where they may."

I was toying with the idea of writing a book on the subject. Something like: "The Ascended Masters – Fact or Fiction….. A critique of the I AM religious faith" Perhaps some of us could get together to share our knowledge and colaborate. I don't know. But I am afraid for present and future generations who might still become the victims of these same dellusions.

Amen A. Sigala / August 13th, 2008, 11:05 pm / #7

Okey doky, my comment at 7 wasn’t kept . Fine :o ! But know one i know can tell me what IMNSHO means, so can someone tell me here?
And hey Tatiana, wondered where u’d gone?! Thks for being true and caring !!! I love u for it and my heart goes out to all of u. I wish ur mom was what we all were looking for too but unforrtunatly ur parents did exactly what they critsized. All the “Messengers” did, all humans do generaly.
Thought of something that the Science of the Spoken Word was trying to accomplish that i picked up on as a kid. That there is a kind of science on the power of the word on people, if there wasn’t so many wouldn’t have followed and continue to follow those who have that verbal skill to bring in the crowds. Just a thought of connection.
A person last year told me of an experiment of 2 glasses of water spoken to differently, one kindly and lovingly and the other violently and cruely. Yea u can figure what the out come was. The water spoken to sweetly came out clear, the water meanly spkn to was cracked and awefull looking. The test was suppose to have been done several times, each time same results. This to me is a reflection / connection to prove to society on the effects of verbal abuse in our lives. Don’t know how acurate or legitimate this test was but there is a point here.
I think we all have points we’re trying to make but our brains go about it in an unsual way. Not always logical. Life is a spectrum.
Like u said ur mom was beautiful too. I think she wanted the human race to understand the importance and power of our words in our reality and it’s TREMENDOUS INFLUENCE IN OUR LIVES.
I think we can all agree that life has shown us how the choices of our words have carved results against us or for us.
So yup, I think ur mom and dad was onto something, not the1st to be and not accurate about it but that’s how science started. That’s how we have what we have today because thousands of years ago, even to date theory and experimentation validate or invalidate what we are trying to prove or understand about so many things and it’s never perfect. Time and repeated experimentation takes care of that. Wright brothers didn’t get it right the 1st time or the 2nd or the 3rd…
Words are an important force in our wold and reality. That’s all I think ur parents were trying to prove and say. Just remembered ur Dad mentioning in one of his lectures about the power of a Soprano breaking glass, that basicly it’s energy, substance, a power that can break glass, so imagine what it does to us if it’s not loving and good .
Thks for joining ur brother in clearing things up and making the points that u have. You’ve done them tremendously well. Loved what u said about ud rather sing the blues to deal w/ ur pain.
I was only going for the first sentence, turned out longer than i planed.

Tatiana Prophet / August 14th, 2008, 8:34 am / #8

Thanks, Amen. Glad to have your input.

Sound certainly has power in the form of sound waves. That’s why a glass can shatter at high frequency. But in terms of spoken words having the power to create the thing being spoken about, there is no science there.

As someone who decreed for a long time, I saw that the unresolved patterns in my own psyche and that of my parents and others did not change one bit just because they were trying to “decree” them away. Apparently it also takes a desire to change something in the psyche that actually serves the psyche very well, even if it is perceived as negative. Just like therapy does not work on someone who doesn’t want to change, neither does shouting to God about it.

It’s true that science has not yet discovered everything about the effect of human thoughts and words. Sometimes, they can cause a positive or negative chemical in another person because they actually create a cognitive effect on the person hearing the words. As far as any other effects, we shall see as the scientific method continues to work its “magic.”

Have a good day,
Tatiana

Amen A. Sigala / August 14th, 2008, 5:50 pm / #9

Right, that’s all I think ur parents are trying to say, it just goes to far because of our deep human connection by design to beleive in the spirit world. I’m not aware of atheism being part of cave man thought according to all the cave drawings and hyroglyphics. Everything says the beleif in beyond this world is part of out thinking processes till that level of logical thought reached the human race and / or even reaches a human being in this day and age. For me this answers why people still belong to religions and don’t progress to a true state of civility ! Hey I / we were among those people ! I saw kids in CUT leave and rebel, speak up, but I, ur brother, urself stuck w/ it till enough was enough. For me and what I’ve read so far was the catylist for us in leting it all go ! All these kids left, walked away from it all as kids not as adults like us. Life has a pattern, at the end it’s the genetic process of human evolution that will put Organised Religion in it’s place, not what so called Communist China or the former Soviet Union has done, thats already been done and proven.
Can someone find a date about when the evidence of atheism came about ?
In case what I agreed on got lost, I don’t support that shouting to a God is a science. And I know what ur saying about therapy, totaly agree, the government leans on it like a science, when it’s not ! Hey these United States still use the Bible in the court rooms before testyfing !! Psychological influence is also what I’m getting at, to me this power we have in our lives is a science yet to be understood. That’s also what I was getting at.
It’s all a matter of evolution and in that process GOOFY THINGS ARE PART OF IT till it reaches that point of almost perfect clearity and understanding.
I thought when I wrote #7 u might have read my other comments. I’m a redefined atheist – wether God exist’s or not is irrelavent, his psychological make up is that of a jerks or a psycho for that matter !!
Thks for responding, do u remember me though ? I called long distance in 93 about the crazy thing my mom did to the Chinese Communist we rented to, poor guy ! REALLY FUNNY to everyone I told that story to that summer but absolutly HORRIFING TO ME ! That’s when my breakdown happened and yea I was reaching out to u but u were indifferent to me. Remember the last words u said to me before coming out of the Sanctuary ? This was days after the Sum.Conf. What u said was so CUT, it showed me how much ur mom contributed in a level of coldness and inhumanity in CUT and in the people of the world who followed her. An extreme scrwed up teaching of love and indifference that I saw teaing everyone apart but hey she was the Mess., obedience was expected dispite many lectures saying otherwise ! Everyone who laughed at the story helped me laugh at the experience I was taking so seriously. Really wanted and needed to be saved from my mother and was trying to get ur help to do it, no one else my age was closer to the Mess. than u who could have help me do it right, so I thought. Decreed my Heart out since I was 13 to rid the suicide entity from my soul, so I know how much decreeing as a “science” is so freaking a waste of time !!! I was 21 that summer ! Just had to clearify my needyness to u at that time, I was hurting so very bad, terribly suicidal and fighting it. Didn’t stop me though in 95 and survived it. I’m sure now ud see the signs and help that person, not taking lightly someones needyness, that’s usually signs of someone who wants and needs help to keep them from going thru w/ it. Somthing important I needed u to know, a hurt I think about here n there that I can now forget till I write my bk.
And hey hey what does IMNSHO mean ???!!! : )
Lots of Love ! Peace too !

Amen A. Sigala / August 14th, 2008, 6:27 pm / #10

Right, that’s all I think ur parents are trying to say, it just goes to far because of our deep human connection by design to beleive in the spirit world. I’m not aware of atheism being part of cave man thought according to all the cave drawings and hyroglyphics. Everything says the belief in beyond this world is part of out thinking processes till that level of logical thought reached the human race and / or even reaches a human being in this day and age. For me this answers why people still belong to religions and don’t progress to a true state of civility ! Hey I / we were among those people ! I saw kids in CUT leave and rebel, speak up, but I, ur brother, urself stuck w/ it till enough was enough. For me and what I’ve read so far was the catalyst for us in letting it all go ! All these kids left, walked away from it all as kids not as adults like us. Life has a pattern, at the end it’s the genetic process of human evolution that will put Organised Religion in it’s place, not what so called Communist China or the former Soviet Union has done, thats already been done and proven.
Can someone find a date about when the evidence of atheism came about ?
In case what I agreed on got lost, I don’t support that shouting to a God is a science. And I know what ur saying about therapy, totaly agree, the government leans on it like a science, when it’s not ! Hey these United States still use the Bible in the court rooms before testyfing !! Psychological influence is also what I’m getting at, words sounded out or read are a part of that psycological influence, to me this power we have in our lives is a science yet to be understood. That’s also what I was getting at. Comercials do it everyday – I hate comercials !
It’s all a matter of evolution and in that process GOOFY THINGS ARE PART OF IT till it reaches that point of almost perfect clearity and understanding.
I thought when I wrote #7 u might have read my other comments. I’m a redefined atheist – wether God exist’s or not is irrelavent, his psychological make up is that of a jerks or a psycho for that matter !!
Thks for responding, do u remember me though ? I called long distance in 93 about the crazy thing my mom did to the Chinese Communist we rented to, poor guy ! REALLY FUNNY to everyone I told that story to that summer but absolutly HORRIFING TO ME ! That’s when my breakdown happened and yea I was reaching out to u but u were indifferent to me. Remember the last words u said to me before coming out of the Sanctuary ? This was days after the Sum.Conf. What u said was so CUT, it showed me how much ur mom contributed in a level of coldness and inhumanity in CUT and in the people of the world who followed her. An extreme scrwed up teaching of love and indifference that I saw tearing everyone apart but hey she was the Mess., obedience was expected dispite many lectures saying otherwise ! Everyone who laughed at the story helped me laugh at the experience I was taking so seriously. Really wanted and needed to be saved from my mother and was trying to get ur help to do it, no one else my age was closer to the Mess. than u who could have help me do it right, so I thought. DECREED MY HEART OUT SINCE I WAS 13 TO RID of the suicide entity from my soul, so I know how much decreeing as a “science” is so freaking a waste of time !!! I was 21 that summer ! Just had to clearify my needyness to u at that time, I was hurting so very bad, terribly suicidal and fighting it. Didn’t stop me though in 95 and survived it. I’m sure now ud see the signs and help that person, not taking lightly someones needyness, that’s usually signs of someone who wants and needs help to keep them from going thru w/ it. Somthing important I needed u to know, a hurt I think about here n there that I can now forget till I write my bk.
And hey hey what does IMNSHO mean ???!!! : )
Lots of Love ! Peace too !

Amen A. Sigala / August 14th, 2008, 6:30 pm / #11

The 2nd one is my corrected one, sorry, please use that one not the 1st , thks! My comp. is a used winds 98, accidently submitted to early !

Amen A. Sigala / August 14th, 2008, 6:53 pm / #12

CORRECTION…forgot the word …unsuccessful..after proven…thks. I’m a mommy and my 8 1/2 yr old comes in alot for a hug. But my comput. is old and out of date too.

Louis / August 14th, 2008, 7:47 pm / #13

IMO = In my opinion.

IMHO = In my humble opinion.

IMNSHO = In my ‘not so’ humble opinion.

I also do LOLCATZ.

*bows*

;)

Amen A. Sigala / August 14th, 2008, 10:53 pm / #14

Man, I need a freaking dictionary on abbreviations!!! LOLCATZ NOW WILL BE MY NXT OBSESTION! What the hecht , don’t do that to me!
Thks Louis!! Finally! But…
Want to take the lingering ? off my mind now on LOLCATZ? PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE W/ SUGAR ON IT? ; )
It would be much obliged sir! ; )

Amen A. Sigala / August 14th, 2008, 11:10 pm / #15

P.S. afterthought, didn’t refer to it in my 1st comment here. I was also in my own wrds supporting Louis statement on how religous method of prayer is equal to hypnoses. Just adding that wrds are vibrations and like music I think we respond to the sounds of cetrtain wrds more effectivly than others. Hypnoticly speaking. I know comedies have always made jokes on how beautiful the most foul words in French sound like the person is making love to the person they are saying it to. It’s halarious!

Black Sun Journal » The Pseudo Science of the Spoken Word: Part 3 / May 31st, 2009, 2:58 pm / #16

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Black Sun Journal » The Pseudo Science of the Spoken Word: Part 1 / May 31st, 2009, 7:09 pm / #17

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Emerald / October 10th, 2009, 12:14 am / #18

I have been in the "teachings" for over 13 years and I must agree that I am very disillusioned with what has happened to me since being contacted by the ascended masters. I went from an acceptable home environment to one of extreme poverty and roaches and the need for psyche meds. Today I no longer decree 2 to 3 hours per day. After stopping I had an episode where I burned interallly for over two days and nothing could cool me off — you should have seen the look that became apparent in my eyes — really scary. I am 57 years of age and I have learned one thing — do not give into the suicide entity. The cost would not be worth getting out of your present condition. I send my love and prayers to you. rp

AmenASHandFree / October 11th, 2009, 9:40 pm / #19

EMERALD MY LOVE & SUPPORT GOES OUT TO U ! U WILL BE FINE ! AS CRUEL AS LIFE IS IT ALWAYS BOWS TO GOODNESS…IT HAS TO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE….GOOD & BAD HAVE A VERY ILL LOVE AFFAIR WITH EACH OTHER DON'T BELIEVE IN THE BAD JUST THE GOOD & UR FINE =) i SURVIVED SUICIDE HAVE TOO ! I'VE COME TO REALIZE THIS PHENOMENA IS A DID disorder OR Multiple personality disorder. Psychologists r wrong about depression & suicide. Yes there is biochemical influences there always is for everything but thinking differently, eating differently believeing differently makes a big difference. Hey Sean did & he never was suicidal..what's up with that ? Well in my life my family has a tendancy to be artistic, emotional, suicidal & then ok keeping their HUMOR ALWAYS…LAUGH BE HAPPY LIVE U R AWESOME & LIFE CAN BE AWESOME SO MAKE IT HAPEN GET INVOLVED IN WHAT U DREAM ABOUT..Let's keep in touch ?!

AmenASHandFree / October 11th, 2009, 9:50 pm / #20

Thk u too for ur love & prayers…prayers r good heartfelt wishes & I am still searching for the historical use of it. Lawyers use it & I had forgotten Shakesspear used it too in the same way lawyers do. I have a court case I've been dealing with so this why I've become perseptive on the evolution of words, their uses & origins. It's facinating, life truly is facinatingly horrible but that's ok it can't stay horrible forever….it has to be nice in order to be beautiful…so when it's naughty repremand it, it doesn't have a Mommy & Daddy ; ) LOVE UR NAME BY THE WAY…!

arjun jajra / April 3rd, 2016, 4:31 am / #21

CORRECTION…forgot the word …unsuccessful..after proven…thks. I'm a mommy and my 8 1/2 yr old comes in alot for a hug. But my comput. is old and out of date too.

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