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The Atheist Manifesto

Nothing I could say would match the power, insight, and sheer genius of this essay by Sam Harris. Thanks to Goosing the Antithesis for posting this first.


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Francois Tremblay / December 17th, 2005, 12:55 pm / #1

No problem man ;)

Torin / December 18th, 2005, 2:24 am / #2

Unfortunately, he is preaching to the choir. Pardon the pun, but those who need to read it, will not. It is good though.

Susan Richert / December 19th, 2005, 10:00 am / #3

Dear Sean,

Dr Bartlett and I believe in the Ascended Masters. That is how he received his healing powers and how I have been healed from the violence of my brain disorders.

Your Mom and Dad really did love you. They just didn’t know enough about the Catholic Church.

Dr Bartlet wants to know if you are still married to Kathleen.

Peace and blessings of God be upon you.

Your eternal friend,

Susan Richert
Seattle (Martin Luther King, Jr County) Washington.

Francois Tremblay / December 19th, 2005, 10:18 am / #4

Ooooh boy. We have a live one here !

Susan, could you tell us how you know who an ascended master is ?

BlackSun / December 19th, 2005, 2:32 pm / #5

“Dr Bartlett and I believe in the Ascended Masters.”

I’m sorry Susan. I hope you come to your senses. Why do you continue to pursue something that’s obviously caused you so much pain?

“Your Mom and Dad really did love you.”

Thanks for commenting. I don’t know how you define love, or how you would really know, since you have never met me or my father, and for all I know my mother either.

In any case, it’s clear, Susan, that you wish to continue to pursue your beliefs. Of course you have that right, but don’t fool yourself into thinking your fantasies about my family or the church have anything to do with reality.

As I said to you on the phone, I’m trying to help clean up the mess my mom and dad made. The only defense against this nonsense is a healthy dose of critical thinking. All the books you need are listed right here. Start with the link to Sam Harris, then proceed to “Demon Haunted World” by Carl Sagan. No one said it would be easy, but it’s worth the effort. Best of luck.

Aaron Kinney / December 19th, 2005, 3:33 pm / #6

Agreed. Sam Harris is a powerful writer. I read The End of Faith like the day after it hit the shelves and I was very impressed by the way he presents his arguments. This essay is no exception.

D O / December 25th, 2005, 11:38 pm / #7

Oh, Come on Sean, “Critical Thinking”? Church Boy goes to college!!!! Before you get angry with me, be assured that I am in school now, retracing steps I should have taken when I was going to church. I see clearly how much the secular humanism has taken over education, finance, art,commerce,every avenue of human expression. We can’t even say Merry Christmas without a fight, but G. Bush can attend a Hannukah ceremony? Pullllease see through the hypocrisy here. I didn’t intend to write anything to you but I keep reading your postings and for all your “secular” beliefs, you seem to be harboring an awful lot of anger toward your parents. Are you angry or a well-adjusted happy secular humanist? I believe we have all had to make adjustments in our understanding of life in the last few years. I believe your mother truly wanted to make a difference in the world. I hope you work out your inner conflict. I do wish you well. Sincerely

BlackSun / December 26th, 2005, 12:57 pm / #8

D O

“secular humanism has taken over education, finance, art,commerce,every avenue of human expression”

And the problem is…?

I’m wondering what you use to determine what’s real and unreal in your life. I’m trying to establish a basis for some kind of reality check. The only thing that makes sense to me is to try to get rid of my subjective beliefs. We’ve seen what doesn’t work: namely following leaders, and acting on subjective feelings without objective confirmation.

Re: CUT and ECP. No need for anger. Just an honest discussion about what happened, and how to prevent it from happening again. I think the main thing to understand is that both the leaders and the followers share the responsibility. Neither were interested in objective reality, and both got what they wanted. Did they want to help the world? Does it matter? What matters is results. I don’t see any long term good that’s been served by CUT or the teachings of the ‘Ascended Masters.’ And there’s been a lot of harm, detours and wishful thinking.

In later years, my mom began to understand the negative impacts of what she did. But it’s not what you want to hear, I’m sure. I’ll be writing about that in the future. I doubt even her words will change any minds, though.

BlackSun / December 26th, 2005, 5:13 pm / #9

D O

This is not a conspiracy blog. Nor is it a blog for discussing archconservative values such as Phyllis Schlafly, et al.

I wish YOU well. But please keep this stuff off this forum. I’m here to dicuss what the blurb says:

“The quest for empirical knowledge and reason give purpose to life. Supernaturalism, mysticism and religion take it away. The best anyone can do is to attempt to eliminate all beliefs and subjective biases.”

Thanks in advance for your respect and understanding.

Sean

D O / December 26th, 2005, 4:50 pm / #10

For one thing Sean, Secular Humanism is a cover for The New World Order-seehttp://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Illuminati.htm in which dialectical reasoning is employed as a means to end, that being the domination of world commerce for the sake of control and money. You of all people should know this if you listened to any of your mothers lectures. Secular Humanism promotes indictrination of our schoolchildren through the social engineering process of “values clarification”, a process by which the NEA(government sponsored-state controlled)promotes state-controlled mores and values. See http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1996/aug96/psraug96.html and http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/24/105439.shtml You think this is objective? You think this is not social programming with a political agenda? How do you like my APA style format, by the way?

D O / December 26th, 2005, 5:54 pm / #11

I do aplogize if I offended you. You asked me what problem I had with secular humanism and I answered to the best of my ability to explain a complicated thing with backup of documented ideas. Sincerely.

Marshall E. Lovejoy / December 26th, 2005, 8:32 pm / #12

What about all of the missing persons,especially children who are being held captive within the inner earth?
The Illuminati and the Grays are doing their genetic experiments and living their “one world order” while this site argues esoteric philosophy.
Is it just “their victim karma” or “what is done to/for one is done to/for all” because we are all one (humanity) on this earth?
What is your solution?

D O / December 26th, 2005, 8:37 pm / #13

Sean, what was the blurb then? Because I was responding to the Dec 17 comment on Atheism, and also to your reply to Susan Richart. If atheism does not have political repercussions, then what do you want to have a dialogue about? The process of Hegelian Dialectic Reasoning is the backbone of Secular Humanism. regards

William Kazak / December 26th, 2005, 8:41 pm / #14

Your mum taught us the use of the violet flame for transmutation.The gathering of great numbers for a cause.Also,she lifted our spirits with the most beautiful music we have ever heard.Why should we sort our/her contributions now when we don’t yet have the complete or the final picture?
Can’t people just carry on day by day,doing what they do best or is that just too boring?Do we actually need victims,heros,causes,applause and saints?The ego is so big,we are special-just like everyone else.

Sandy Kazak / December 26th, 2005, 8:45 pm / #15

Is there a feeling of remorse here for CUT?
Are we feeling sorry for ourselves because we have now run out of gas and there does not seem to be a solution to our world dilemna? Being “good” is our destiny and our privilege.

Marshall E. Lovejoy / December 26th, 2005, 8:52 pm / #16

Is there any action resulting from this site? Anything happening to make some life better?
Are people being illuminated toward action to affect worldy affairs?

Sandy Kazak / December 26th, 2005, 8:57 pm / #17

What the hell is blacksun? Is it some kind of mental depression, a looking at life negatively?

Marshall E. Lovejoy / December 26th, 2005, 9:00 pm / #18

I was reading a book about learning to live in the now.
There is no past to worry about and no future to get upset about.
You can say to yourself;
I am now!
or
I am now creative!
It really means just doing something creative right now.

D O / December 26th, 2005, 9:15 pm / #19

Are you saying that all the followers of CUT by right of their following were not interested in objective reality? This just looks like conjecture to me, since there would be no way of knowing what all those people were actually thinking. Also, I took a course in philosophy in the 70’s, studied dialectic reasoning, Plato, Teillhard Chardin, etc. None of it impacted me until I heard ECP’s take on dialectic reasoning. THen it made sense to me in the “Real World” application.

DO / December 26th, 2005, 9:40 pm / #20

re:”Killing The Antithesis”, the guy makes a lot of blanket statements about Christians. Did you notice that? The guy just hates Christians. I will say, though that I dont appreciate extreme fundamentalism that is sometimes expressed in Christian people. The same can be said also about almost any other group of people. Islamic Fundamentalism is not representative of all Muslims. I went to dinner with my adorable Muslim husband on Christmas Eve, and a tourist at the next table stared at us the whole time. It made us a little uncomfortable but we ended up just joking and making light of it. It was kind of funny, but I love laughing in the face of such stupid stereotyping. Or did she have some other reason for staring? I am not your typical bigoted Christian and I dont like being steotyped in that manner.

BlackSun / December 27th, 2005, 1:20 am / #21

OK guys, time to pile on. Obviously, no one read the Sam Harris essay, because you’re all posting way off topic.

D O

“Are you saying that all the followers of CUT by right of their following were not interested in objective reality? This just looks like conjecture to me, since there would be no way of knowing what all those people were actually thinking.”

Yes. If you believed in Ascended Masters, then you weren’t interested in objective reality. Sorry.

“re:”Killing The Antithesis”, the guy makes a lot of blanket statements about Christians. Did you notice that? The guy just hates Christians.”

Read Sam Harris. The moderate religious provide the basis for fundamentalism. One cannot exist without the other. They all need to rethink their position.

Sandy:

“What the hell is blacksun? Is it some kind of mental depression, a looking at life negatively?”

Read the about:

http://blacksunjournal.com/bj10/what-is-black-sun.html

http://www.blacksunjournal.com/origins/2_why-is-black-sun_2001

http://www.blacksunjournal.com/origins/63_the-meaning-of-black-sun_2005

Marshall:

“It really means just doing something creative right now.”

That’s what I do every day. If you are doing that, then the more power to you.

All of you:

This blog exists for one reason and one reason alone: to explore alternatives to religious belief, namely reason and objectivism. If you are determined to believe in irrational fantasies, then take your philosophy elsewhere. I’m not going to engage in these petty debates.

If you are interested in contributing to real rigorous conversation, I’m all for it. Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of wishful thinking and conspiracy theories.

You’ve got lots of company, as 85% of Americans believe in god.

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